Norway’s Hate is at a NEW Juxtaposition

August 12, 2011
Manfred Gerstenfeld has a plan to defeat Norway’s Orwellian hate-mongering… Deputy Foreign Minister Espen Barth Eide wrote last Friday in The Jerusalem Post: “We have a proven track record of committing our political, financial and military resources to peace-building activities around the world, where combating both terrorism and the causes of terrorism are important objectives.” If George Orwell were still alive, he could have expanded his terminology to include: “Hate-mongering is peace-building” and “Promoting terror is combating terrorism.”

…Utoya Island…

Attacking Israel and ignoring major Palestinian and Arab crimes comes naturally to many among the Norwegian elite. The best way to counter this is by frequently exposing examples of indirect Norwegian support for terror, hate-mongering and double standards, as well as inaction against anti-Semitism by the government.
Due to the recent massacre, a number of foreign journalists have also familiarized themselves with the perversities that permeate Norway’s elite culture. Israeli reactions fighting back are likely now to get more media attention than in the past.
The Israeli Embassy in Oslo has presented a long list of biases on the part of Norwegian State Broadcasting System NRK to its supervisory council, which has waved it away.
People working for such an anti-Israel propagandist body should not be given recognition by Israel’s Government Press Office. NGOs that receive money from the Norwegian government should be scrutinized. How much Norwegian money is used by Palestinians for terror should be investigated. Doing all this is virtually risk-free. The Norwegian government could hardly cause more damage to Israel than it already has, without information about its perverse actions being widely spread.
The Norwegian elite’s culture will not undergo structural change due to the massacre in Utoya. For Israel to modify Norwegian perceptions of it would require suicidal risk-taking. Any successful policy must, therefore, be based on a radically different approach: the continued public exposure of Norwegian hate-mongering, so that its government’s international image becomes as tarnished as its reality.

it is good to have the attention, but now these people will come up with slick ways to justify their disgusting culture, where as before they were merely ignoring the criticism of a minority. I disagree with Carl. It is great to expose things that are wrong and it is great that people are finally noticing that the Socialist Multicultural experiment has failed, but now these people have a bruised ego and they are more likely to pay attention to their critics. This isn’t a great thing in some ways. It would be much better if the Jews paid attention to Norway. Norway paying more attention to Jews is not a healthy thing.

Norway As Example: It’s Forbidden to Discuss How Political Apologists for Terror-Using Groups Unintentionally Increase Terrorism

August 7, 2011
I can say I myself said some very emotional things on Rubin’s Pajama Media blog because I was very upset at Norway. I said more or less that there would be more of these attacks on Norway. This is probably true, but it was the wrong time to point it out and it probably would of been seen as a threat. I didn’t get any encouragement. I can see the difference between a lifetime middle eastern scholar and my own behavior. Barry obviously saw this coming. He might of not gone over the top, but I certainly did. I apologize, but I can see why I was so frustrated.

Barry Rubin
The Rubin Report
06 August ’11
http://rubinreports.blogspot.com/2011/08/case-study-from-norway-it-is-forbidd…
Note: This article appeared in the Jerusalem Post in response to recent events. I hope this is the last time I address the issue. If you are going to forward or post a copy please use this one as it has a number of small improvements and is not cut.
Before I begin I want to make five points absolutely clear:
1. I was one of the first people in the world to write condemning the action in Norway as terrorism and as committed by a right-winger. Therefore–and based on my career of 35 years including 30 years working on counterterrorism–it should be clear that I would never endorse the murder of dozens of people. The irony is that a plea to fight terrorism by not granting it rewards was distorted into a pro-terrorist position!
2. A large portion of the Norwegian mass media has repeatedly stated that I endorsed the killings and called the kids at the camp terrorists. This is a lie. False quotes were attributed to my article. To my best knowledge, nobody in Norway tried to establish the truth or report fairly.
3. No Norwegian media–indeed no reporter from anywhere in the world–made any attempt to interview me on this issue and find out what I thought and what I wrote. Imagine, this is the biggest story in Norway and nobody contacted me at all.
4. The Jerusalem Post never discussed this issue with me nor contacted me to discuss the issue and hear my position. I have written for this newspaper for about 30 years without a single controversy arising before.
5. We have arrived at the strange situation in which the Norwegian media and apparently the Norwegian government considers me to be “pro-terrorist” but does not consider Hamas (and a number of other groups one could name) to be “pro-terrorist.”
What explains this kind of thing–deliberate lies, deceitful reporting, disinterest in truth, disinterest in fairness? Answer: The conversion of the public debate and media into propaganda exercises in which (ironically, McCarthyist) witchhunts are conducted and those entrusted with the sacred pursuit of truth and accuracy use their positions to spread lies, incitement, and indoctrination.
This has been going on now for some years but there’s nothing like experiencing something first-hand to comprehend it well. I now hope to get back to work as an analyst of international affairs and especially of the Middle East.

Foreign Minister Store with Hamas Prime Minister Haniya: Smiles at Hamas, Frown at Israel. Deny Being an Enabler of Terrorism. Norwegian media accuses me–but not Hamas–of supporting terrorism. Haniya on US. assassination of Usama bin Ladin,

“Of course we condemn the…killing of a Muslim jihad fighter….We pray for Allah to cover him with His mercy, next to the prophets, the righteous, and the martyrs.”

A Case Study from Norway: It Is Forbidden to Discuss How Political Enablers of Terrorist Groups Unintentionally Encourage Terrorism Without Being Labelled A Terrorist
By Barry Rubin
“I do not understand Norway’s position, and I say that as a friend of Norway. If they shoot, if they fire rockets, why doesn’t Norway believe that they are terrorists? What else do they need to do? Let us not forget that Norway and the other Scandinavian countries called in Yasir Arafat and said: `Iif you want a deal, you must first renounce terrorism. You must recognize the state of Israel, and you must commit yourself to peace.’ Why is all this forgotten? What is the difference between the PLO at that time and Hamas today?” –President Shimon Peres, May 2011
We want Palestine in its entirety—so there will not be any misunderstandings. If our generation is unable to achieve this, the next one will, and we are raising our children on this. Palestine means Palestine in its entirety, and Israel cannot exist in our midst…. We liberated Gaza through resistance. We want to conduct resistance in the West Bank as well.” — Hamas leader Mahmud Zahhar, July 2011, a few days before members of Norway’s ruling party expressed enthusiasm for helping Hamas. .
Ironically, the reaction to my article, “The Oslo Syndrome,” proved its thesis, the same point as the one President Shimon Peres made. If terrorism is empowered, terrorism is more likely to occur. That uncontroversial point has been blown up into something controversial by deceit.
The Norwegian government and media establishment wants no honest discussion of these issues. Instead, my article was misrepresented in order to stir up a frenzy that closed ears and shut eyes to what I was saying. Indeed, the Norwegian newspaper falsely claimed that I had endorsed the terrorist attack there.
How’s that for constructive dialogue and healing?

The blog “Israel Matzav” sums up my position very well:
“Rubin said that this terror attack, committed by a ‘normal Norwegian boy’ [not my words] ought to make Norwegians do some introspection about their government’s support for terror organizations like Hamas. Is Norway giving its youth the wrong message through its support for Hamas? Why is Norway not even willing to ask itself that question?”
And the Norwegian reaction is to reiterate–as the ambassador portrayed his country’s view–that there is a rational reason to murder Israeli children (“occupation,” despite the fact that Israel has withdrawn from all of the Gaza Strip, much of the West Bank, and indicated its readiness to accept a Palestinian state eleven years ago) but not to murder Norwegian children. In other words, one can only discuss the evil Norwegian terrorist in the parameters laid down by the Norwegian left. One can talk endlessly about how his specific ideology–right-wing, allegedly Christian, and Islamophobic–but not the way he fits into a much wider pattern of rising terrorism in general.
I didn’t write about the content of his ideology but about his choice of strategy on the basis of my three decades’ of scholarly study about terrorism. Why did the Norwegian terrorist think that killing people would help—not hurt—his cause? Because like terrorists around the world he sees other groups that use terrorism succeed politically, build a mass base of support, and gain sympathy for their cause despite their methods.
Second, nobody else apologizes for criticizing Israel in the harshest terms after terrorist attacks, something I did not do to Norway. No newspaper in the world to my knowledge apologized for the terrible things written on its pages about the United States after September 11.
The deputy foreign minister and foreign minister of Norway, who both attacked me, have never criticized Hamas or Hizballah by name. Last May, Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Støre explained, “We condemn organizations that are involved in terrorism, but Norway has considered the situation as such that having lists where we put an organization and call it a terrorist organization will not serve our purposes.”
Obviously, if Hamas was named as a terrorist group then cabinet ministers can’t have its leaders to tea. But by not naming it, they are saying: You can commit hundreds of acts of terror and it will cost you nothing politically. But if Israel responds, for example, by counterattacking into the Gaza Strip, we will condemn Israel.
Yes, this is a policy that encourages terrorism and makes it look successful: it wins sympathy for the cause and antagonism toward the victims. But while Norway won’t criticize terrorist groups by name, its officials and media are unrestrained in attacking Israel.
Alan Dershowitz has written from personal observation that in Norway, “Anti-Semitism doesn’t even mask itself as anti-Zionism.” And this behavior is carried on by public institutions and media.
Former Prime Minister Kare Willoch criticized President Barack Obama for appointing Rahm Emanuel as his chief of staff because he was “Jewish.” Nor the author Jostein Gaarder who wrote an op-ed in Aftenposten entitled, “God’s Chosen People” at a time when three Israeli soldiers had been kidnapped by Hizballah and a war was on, describing Judaism as “an archaic national and warlike religion.” Apology?
In 2008, a Norwegian comedian said on national television, “I would like to wish all Norwegian Jews a Merry Christmas – no, what am I saying! You don’t celebrate Christmas, do you!? It was you who crucified Jesus.” Apology? Last year the minister of finance spoke at a largely Islamist-organized anti-Israel rally. Apology? A person who has served as a Foreign Ministry official remarked in 2008 that she occasionally wished the UN would send “precision-guided missiles against selected Israeli targets.” Apology?
But I never said and I’m not saying now that a terrorist attack took place in Norway because of its anti-Israel policies or atmosphere. Nor am I saying that Norway “supports” terrorism itself, that it applauds the murder of civilians elsewhere. What I’m saying–as nobody has publicly acknowledged in Norway—is that to show terrorists they will get more sympathy than Israel, to reward a group like Hamas, to say that terrorism can be ignored if directed against the “proper” people is to increase the overall level of terrorism against Israel and in the world, including in Norway itself.
You’ve never heard of Samira Munir and Norway’s establishment has swept her story away. She was a Norwegian politician of Pakistani origin who fought for women’s rights and against sharia law. She was found dead in November 2004, supposedly a suicide but seeming far more likely to have been a terrorist murder. She had received daily death threats by phone and walking down the street. Might this act, whose perpetrators were never punished, indicate that some people think they can commit terrorism, get away with it, and suffer no political damage?
If others who have extremist views and/or mental disorders see every day that terrorism produces political advantage and sympathy for those who commit it they are more likely to commit terrorism. If groups see their terrorism is no barrier to being invited to Norway and to have lunch with cabinet ministers while their enemies’ self-defense countermeasures will be condemned and vilified they are more likely to adopt terrorism as a strategy.
The underlying concept of the Norwegian response is that Norway is a country that isn’t supposed to have terrorism committed against it. But Israel is a country that deserves to have terrorism committed against it. My point is that neither country “deserves” to have this happen. That doesn’t mean Norway is guilty or should be punished or that an evil terrorist attack is justified. No, it means that Norway should be more consistently and universally against giving terrorists victories—even though it does so by ignoring their terrorism.
We are now approaching the tenth anniversary of the September 11 attacks on the United States. There were those then, including in Norway, who said the United States had it coming and the attack was due to its policies. There are always those—including in Norway—who say that Israel has it coming and the attack is due to its policies.
My view is the precise opposite. I’m saying about Norway precisely the same thing I said about the United States after September 11: the attack proves the need to take a tougher stance against terrorism and against all terrorist groups. If the world thinks al-Qaida won and its attack brought political gains, then there would be more terrorism. As it happened, there was tough action against al-Qaida itself but other terrorist groups concluded that terrorism worked, increased their operations, and did reap political rewards.
The world that the Norwegian government and left-wing media wants is to accept there are two groups in the world: those immune not only from criticism but from serious discussion of their actions, as compared with those who can be lied about with impunity, have hatred incited against them, and then must apologize for not staying in their place as second-class people with second-class rights to express their views.
What I wrote in the “Oslo Syndrome” is that people who accept rationales for terrorism and reward those movements politically increase terrorism. Equally, those who accept double standards, slanderous lies (without apology) about themselves in the media of other countries, and the consorting of those countries with groups that want to exterminate them only increase that behavior, too.
Here are some good responses to the situation:
http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2011/08/norways-deputy-foreign-minister-appeals.html
A collection of antisemitic cartoons in the Norwegian media:
http://www.israelwhat.com/anti-semtic-cartoons-in-the-mainstream-media/
Alan Dershowitz article (free registration required)
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704474804576222561887244764.html
A long analysis of Norway’s actions
http://daphneanson.blogspot.com/2011/07/sad-song-of-norway-its-antisemitic.html
Peres and Store quotes: http://www.newsinenglish.no/2011/05/06/peres-criticizes-norway-on-hamas/
Zahhar quote, http://www.memri.org/clip_transcript/en/3051.htm
Haniya quote http://www.memritv.org/clip_transcript/en/2910.htm

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Youth on Utoya Island walk to their death

August 1, 2011

…Fatah Youth, the Fatah/PLO terrorist group’s youth movement had its own presence at the camp for the last 15 years…

The comments of a survivor from the Utoya Island massacre made an interesting remark that illustrates the problem (H/T: My Right Word)

“Some of my friends tried to stop him by talking to him. Many people thought that it was a test … comparing it to how it is to live in Gaza. So many people went to him and tried to talk to him, but they were shot immediately.”

It illustrates the point I made at opening statement at Second Draft (cited by Breivik):
Since the MSM are the eyes and ears of civil polities, and no creature blind and deaf to key data from the world about can long survive, we consider the cleansing of our mediated “doors of perception” a critical task in the years and decades ahead.
These poor youth were operating on (at least) two major misconceptions: 1) that Israelis are like Nazis, and 2) that talking is enough to change a monster. Putting the two together led them to make a fatal error in reasoning.

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#Utoya camp supported Fatah Terrorists. #Norway #Oslo #Fatah

July 30, 2011


Statsministeren kommer neppe til å mangle t-skjorter i sommer. Han fikk denne fra Fatah Youths Hassan Faraj og dessuten en fra Oslo AUF med påskriften "Free Palestine". Foto: ASKILL HALSE
…Norwegian Prime Minister gets a T-Shirt from the Fatah Youth Hassan Faraj and also one from Oslo AUF with the inscription “Free Palestine” …They got a taste of their own violence…

NORWAY IS THE MOST ANTI-SEMITIC COUNTRY
IN THE WEST…



Palestinske flagg og palestinaskjerf har preget AUFs sommerleir. Det samme har dessverre forverringen av situasjonen i Gaza og Libanon. Foto: ASKILL HALSE
Gry Larsen via dagbladet.no



Jens Stoltenberg cheering when he arrives at Utøya and the decision for more money to Palestine.

Here is a press release
in Norwegian
from the Utoya camp
before the shooting.
translated from
Bli Palestina Jens


Palestinian flags and Palestinian scarves marked the Labour Youth League summer camp. Before Anders Behring Breivik arrived on the scene there were violent terrorists glamorized

Stoltenberg used his speech to announce that the government has best provide another 100 million in aid to Palestine. 63 million will go through the UN, the rest through the Red Cross and other volunteer organizations….Stoltenberg also pointed out that Norway has gone further than other countries in allowing Hamas to have contact with Norwegian officials, and emphasized that the criticism against Israel weakened if they don’t set clear requirements for both parties. There he [Stoltenberg] greeted the international guests and got a t-shirt with “Tear down the wall” by Hassan Faraj from the Fatah Youth. Even if Fatah and Hamas are political rivals, [Stoltenberg] believes that Norway should provide support for the new Palestinian government. Palestine had democratic elections[????]. …and there are normal political parties in Palestine that are a resistance against occupation, said Faraj to Adresseavisen. Faraj appreciates the financial aid, and believes the Norwegian policy towards Palestine is to some extent positive. We feel that Sweden and Norway will help us more than other European countries, said Faraj.


Questioning if the Norwegian Labour Party was in Bed With the KGB is pointless, when Norway is in bed with the jihad.

Norway also funds Pal TV:

Swedish media at Juniper in the Desert

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Time for Norwegians to learn a lesson?

July 30, 2011

Palestinske flagg og palestinaskjerf har preget AUFs sommerleir. Det samme har dessverre forverringen av situasjonen i Gaza og Libanon. Foto: ASKILL HALSE

Norwegian ambassador to Israel Svein Sevje told Maariv this week that ‘Palestinian terrorism’ against Israel is more justified than terrorism against Norwegians. Perhaps it’s time for Norwegians to wake up and smell the coffee? (h/t Israel Matzav) There are many Norwegians who not only justify terrorist attacks against Israel, but praise them, support them, help finance them, and legitimate them.

Utoya camp supported Fatah Terrorists.

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What another PEACE CONFERENCE? This is what happens to countries who enable Islam

July 22, 2011
Terror blast in Oslo, massacre at political youth camp. Norway has been struck by two almost simultaneous acts of terrorism.First, an explosion rocked the city centre as the central government offices were hit at 15:30. This is right in the city centre. Security measures around the government offices have been criticized repeatedly in the last years, but then security measures always are. As of now, 21:49:Seven dead. Fifteen injured. City centre almost completely closed down. Central ring road closed. Police advise people to leave the city centre. Aftenposten reports that a Jihadist group has claimed the act.
Shortly after the blast, reports came in that a gunman was firing shots at the annual summer camp of Labor Youth at Utøya. This appears to have been a lone gunman. As of now, 21:49: Ten confirmed dead. Gunman, who appears to be of nordic appearance, is arrested. Speaks Norwegian. According to the police, the gunman at Utøya is connected to the bomb blast in the city centre. Anyone ready to blame Israel? oh Europe… you are so superior to those of us who don’t like our kids being blown up. Musta been the Mossad, CIA, them Jooozzz. Or Bushhitler…..?! (AP)

Live coverage:

…but Reuters speculates the RIGHT could be responsible. When they are not speculating they talk about the reasons Muslims (they call ’em Islamists) would want to do this to people.
As such, it is likely he was ethnically Norwegian. This could indicate the involvement of a far-right group rather than an Islamist group, though it is also the case that the Labour Party would be a favourable target for Islamist groups due to its role in authorising Norwegian military deployments in Afghanistan,” it said.Former congressional candidate and nanoscientist Mike Stopa notes that the warning signs were present in Norway, as noted by a Norwegian blogger earlier this year:
No one expected the barbarians to hit Norway. No one, that is, expect the people of Norway. And among those there is one woman named Hege Storhaug who anticipated it most clearly and cruelly. Her thoughts on the subject are frighteningly prescient. Storhaug begins this piece with a bit of optimism, crediting Germany’s Merkel and France’s Sarkozy with standing up to the catastrophe of multiculturalism. Europe is finally waking up to the threat posed by decades of policies which preached tolerance, yet bred the exact opposite: an intolerance by many immigrants, particularly Islamists, for the values of their new homelands. She notes however that in Norway last summer, 3000 men “many of them in long coats, ankle-high baggy pants and full beards” gathered in the same place that “Nazi thug” Vidkun Quisling gathered in the 1930′s to denounce the Jews. The Islamists last summer explicitly denounced Western Civilization and threatened a new 9/11 on Norwegian soil. Much as in Sweden, the rise of radical Islam in Norway also led to a rise in anti-Semitism and anti-Israeli sentiment, particularly among leftists who found a common cause. I suspect that nothing will be the same in Norway.

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