Haredi soldiers ordered to clean women’s restrooms

January 5, 2012

When the system is infected with feminism the best way to deal with the system is correct the system through rejection. I know the men in Israel want to protect themselves, but there is no reason to assume they will have to tolerate the tyranny of gender androgyny to do this. Men in the U.S. and around the world should do the same. We should have expectations and boundaries. To deny the power structure of gender is to deny transparency. It’s dishonest… and don’t act like you are above honesty. How many of you said you were voting for Bachmann and then didn’t. How many Bachmann supporters in Iowa decided not to point out the things about Bachmann that you didn’t like to the media and spoke silently when no one could see you in the poll… and all things considered Bachmann was a great lady… but there was something telling both men and women that America needed a male right now in a leadership position… in the same respect that the Left voted for Obama over Hillary Clinton. These men in Israel are merely a lot more honest then you are about working trusts. They are the ones with the children… they are the ones that are making the system work. Secular culture is death. It is about weakness… and yes gender identity most certainly plays a part in it.

(Carl) This was mentioned in passing on Wednesday, but I wanted to highlight it as a separate story. Soldiers in the Nachal Charedi unit were ordered to clean women’s restrooms at the Tel Nof Air Force base on Monday. They were also ordered to sit through a lecture with women soldiers. Both incidents are violations of the soldiers’ terms of service.

Soldiers told Arutz Sheva that when they realized they were about to attend a lesson alongside women, they complained to their commanders. In response, they said that one of the base commanders said: “From now on, this is the procedure.” He added: “We will not have exclusion of women here from now on.”
The soldiers said they were also instructed to clean women’s restrooms as part of their routine participation in cleaning and maintaining the base. This, too, is a violation of the terms of service that stipulate that they will remain within their training area and not enter women’s quarters.
Eliyahu Lax, chairman of the Association for the Torah-Observant Soldier, said that he had spoke to senior figures in the battalion who averred that the story was true. “Unfortunately,” he said, “we are getting the feeling, and not for the first time, that the IDF is not interested in hareidim, and the entire issue of incentives for enlisting hareidim is simply raised in order to use hareidim as a punching bag.”
The hareidi soldiers have braved the hurdle of the disapprobation of some members of their community, who feel that they are going against the hareidi way of life and that they will end up lowering their standards of religious observance. These incidents are being used to show that those anti-army elements are right.
The IDF said Wednesday that an inquiry was held into the event following the soldiers’ complaints and that “instructions regarding the activities of Shachar Kachol have been refreshed in order to prevent similar incidents from happening again in the future.”

It would be a shame if Nachal Charedi fell apart over this. A real shame. But that’s where this is headed. If the army shows that their promises are meaningless, the rabbis will come out against Nachal Charedi outright (until now, they have adopted a posture where they neither condone nor condemn it) and then no one from the Haredi community will enlist.
Some people apparently think the best solution is to cut off your nose to spite your face. Whether that includes the IDF’s top brass remains to be seen.


Religious soldiers or female singers?

September 20, 2011

(Israel Matzav) The IDF does stupid things like this and then they wonder why so many religious families in Israel are desperate to keep their sons out of the IDF.

…At a national commemoration ceremony at Mount Herzl… Chief Rabbi Shlomo Amar was sitting in the first row. Suddenly, without advance warning, a female in uniform walked up to the microphone and started to sing. All eyes were on the rabbi – will he be stepping out now? Yet the honorable rabbi remained seated. He looked down, and that’s it.
This was very noble of the rabbi, and he was the only person to act nobly there. Ceremony organizers behaved foolishly by failing to spare him this embarrassment. They should have decided ahead of time what to give up: The female singer or the chief rabbi’s presence.
In the abovementioned case of the cadets and the female singer, there is no question who we should give up. The IDF requires combat soldiers more than it requires female singers. In the next war, the army will be sending Golani to the front, not a military band. And Golani today comprises numerous religious soldiers.

The army and secular Israelis may not like it, but it’s prohibited for religious men to hear women singing. Yes, some people are lenient if it’s ‘only’ with a microphone and/or it’s not live. But what the IDF pulled on Rabbi Amar – and what it pulled on a group of cadets who were then expelled from their unit for walking out – is absolutely prohibited under Jewish law. And the IDF knows it.
So why do they do things like this? Why do they try to rub religious soldiers’ faces in religious prohibitions when – as author Haggai Segal points out – they so desperately need religious soldiers? Read here, here and here. Here too.
Then read the whole thing. The cultural war of the secular on the religious could yet bring the country down, God forbid.

I’d be annoyed as a non orthodox Jew. Actually I didn’t know this was one of the rules. Every day goes by and I wonder why I’m fighting the urge. I hate to be told what to do and when to do it… that is probably what stops me. I need the freedom to be creative. I don’t know where I stand yet, but I sure don’t like listening to “performances” in Reform shules.