June 9, 2012
Not a fan of Schindler’s List. I felt it was exploitative and gave the Palestinians ground to make a comparison. It failed to show Jews fighting back in any capacity… that said… this pisses me off…
(Volokh) That’s what the Hollywood Reporter reports, stating that school district officials acknowledged the incident and apologized for the principal’s disinvitation decision:
[Gerald Molen] was invited to speak to the graduating class at a Montana high school. But upon arriving, was told by the principal he would not be allowed to deliver the speech he had prepared….
Molen says [Principal Tom] Stack told him straight up that he wouldn’t be allowed to address the students because he was “a right-wing conservative.”
“He said some callers didn’t want the kids exposed to that, despite not knowing what my message would be,” Molen told The Hollywood Reporter….
For the Ronan students, Molen planned to use [Oskar] Schindler as an example of what courageous individuals could accomplish, and he also planned to ask them to “imagine your future is a movie. Forty years from now, you’re writing a script about your accomplishments. What would that script look like?”
“It was a totally apolitical speech,” Molen said….
I should note that I don’t think there’s any First Amendment problem with a school’s inviting or not inviting a guest speaker based on the person’s past political activity — giving such a speech is an honor, and a school might consider a person’s opinions in deciding whether to honor him. Nor do I think that there’s any First Amendment problem with the disinvitation: A school need not delegate the decision about who will speak to the students, or to any particular official, and a principal may undo what lower-level officials have done, or even what he himself had done. (Four Justices have suggested that decisions to stock a book in a school library, once made, can’t be unmade for ideological reasons, but four other Justices disagreed with that, and in any event even the Justices who thought there were limits on library book removal decisions recognized that a school had brought authority to set and change “curriculum” — and I think the invitation of honored guest speakers is a part of that curriculum.) The cancellation might be a breach of contract, though it’s not clear what the damages would be, but not a constitutional violation.
This having been said, it sounds like the cancellation was also a sign of both intolerance and impoliteness, and a poor example to set to students — as the superintendent of schools has acknowledged. The principal is leaving the school and going to work at another school 70 miles away (right around the block by Montana standards, I hear), apparently for reasons unrelated to this incident. I hope that his new employers persuade him to behave better in his new position.
For Molen’s own account of the incident, see here. Thanks to Dan Gifford for the pointer. Note that, notwithstanding the Hollywood Reporter headline, this apparently involved a speech to the graduating class but not a graduation speech (the graduation was apparently June 3, and the Molen incident happened before May 26).
I have a big problem with public tax payer money going to political discretion. I have no problem advocating a matter of taste in art, but we should not tolerate a vibrant political sphere in the United States that is acceptable to half the country as a reason to reject the ideas of it’s speaker. That might not be law… but I would do everything I could to push it if it isn’t. Rejecting someone because of a broad American term like Conservative is ugly. I’m from a family that might feel likewise about Conservatism, and I believe it is an ugly point of view. That said… I don’t like the smell here and I’m guessing this is some Juden Hass going down.
October 2, 2011
Rich Siegel thanks for connect- plz watch my video, 12 minutes, song followed by 2 short talks http://www.vimeo.com/6630724
Sarah Levine Simon Rich we will have to agree to disagree. Too many Israelis including my friends and relatives have lost their lives at the hands of Palestinian extremist. Wish there was a simple solution but when people want to kill jews and hide behind innocent children, the result is what you sing about.
Rich Siegel That’s pure propaganda. The one’s who use children as human shields are the IDF.
Sarah Levine Simon I disagree!
Rich Siegel That’s fine, but the documented facts are not on your side.
Sarah Levine Simon I also disagree there. I know the history of the situation. The British are in large part responsible for the creation of situation. and Ha ha! Now their erudite academic institutions would like to prevent Israeli Scholars from lecturing. This is just recycled antisemitism.
Rich Siegel You can say you know whatever you want, but clearly you don’t know. I’ve been studying the situation for a long time- own a pretty impressive library on the subject- lived there and worked there. So your claim that you know anything is frankly meaningless. You could tell me you know that water is not wet. OK fine- you can think what you want.
Sarah Levine Simon Don’t trust every book you collect. Learn to argue without the ad hominem attack. You’ll do more to further your agenda right or wrong. Are you a Jew?
Rich Siegel Did you watch the video? It clearly states that I’m a Jew. Circumcised, Hebrew School, bar mitzvah, president of Zionist youth group as a teenager, lived and worked in “Israel” in my 20’s- yes I’m a Jew. re: books- I have read BOTH SIDES extensively. And I recommend anyone do this- including you. When one examines both points of view it becomes clear who is obfuscating and who is telling the truth.
Sarah Levine Simon Frankly, your attempt at sampling put me off. You could be a propagandist plant. Right now you exist in cyberspace for me. I have read both sides and I did make up my mind, so thanks
Rich Siegel To be fair I’m re-reading what I wrote looking for an ad hominem attack and I’m not finding any. Could you be specific as to what you object to? I believe I’m simply not letting you get away with stating falsehoods. As for your last comment, you can believe what you want. I assure you I am exactly as I represent myself. That’s me in the video, I have a new CD coming out soon which will contain relevant material. Also a new book, a sort of political auto-biography, and an essay in a friends book- that book is a collection of essays by Jews who were raised as Zionists and who have become pro-Palestine activists as adults.
Sarah Levine Simon I’m very troubled by the statement to the effect that when one examines both sides it becomes clear who is obfuscating. You make statements that you never back with facts. If you were in my class I’d flunk you. Moreover, let me tell you something about music. I love Wagner and Wolf, two of the most virulent anti semites that ever existed. Why? Because really good music supercedes dialectic and propaganda. Your are limiting your musical expression to a political idea and you are missing out on a lot of possibility.
Rich Siegel posted on your wall- my response was too long- was not allowed to post here
Sarah Levine Simon You can send that to firstname.lastname@example.org . For me FB is about the music and recipe sharing. I want to address what you are saying but not on FB.
Rich Siegel OK- but it’s on your wall already- won’t do it again- you can respond to me at email@example.com
Sarah Levine Simon Good. I removed it from my wall and not because I disagree with you but because I am not using my wall to hold town hall meetings.
Rich Siegel That’s fine, but I can’t re-send it as I didn’t save it anywhere, so if you read it and care to respond, you can respond to firstname.lastname@example.org If not, I’m not going to write it again- I did what you asked, but I’m not going to take the time to write up the same argument twice. Also- your point about limiting musical expression is completely ridiculous. Music has been used to promote human rights causes throughout history. Why should YOU be the one to stop it?! There is power in music- you will see when my CD comes out.
Sarah Levine Simon I’m not saying stop it, just saying it limits the music to the cause. You could argue that Tosca promotes a human rights agenda and you’d be right, just saying music that’s great is timeless and supercedes the issues of the day. And frankly that’s why great music endures. Also, If you were so facile in your facts, it would be no bother for you to rewrite your post.
Rich Siegel “Also, If you were so facile in your facts, it would be no bother for you to rewrite your post.” The first really obnoxious thing you wrote was that I exist only in cyber-space. Now this is the 2nd. I’m not sure how you found me. I assume through mutual friends who are involved in music. You are probably re-thinking the advisability of having “friended” me. However, I would say, that if you do want to continue to be “friends” in this format, be respectful and polite. I have no patience for anything else. Thank you.
Sarah Levine Simon Actually you requested my friendship. I don’t defriend because I disagree with someone. At the outset, I said, “let’s agree to disagree.” I also don’t dislike my close friends who disagree with me. There’s more to life than that. I believe I have been polite and respectful. It is logical to ask if someone exists beyond the cyber persona. Remember the Amanda Chapel debacle on FB. or Ni Personne.
Rich Siegel OK- Honestly I do not remember sending that request. I normally would not send a request to someone I don’t know. Your message which asked “let’s agree to disagree” also included propaganda nonsense. If you really wanted to let it go at “let’s agree to disagree” you would not have included this
July 12, 2011
Anywhere in Germany you can not participate in this idea of Holocaust Denial. This means for example if the PM Abu Mazen AKA Abbas were to say in Germany what he says in Judea or Samaria that he would also be held accountable to this German court finding. The intention of the broadcast is irrelevant and the burden of distribution is on the actor. oh BTW Eugene Volokh thinks that this is a threat to Democracy. I wonder if the threat were at Libertarian bloggers if he would feel likewise. Yes… I know… the blogger Eugene is a Jew. A Dhimmi one that I sometimes agree with on other issues.
Deutsche Welle reports that the appeals court upheld the conviction, though lowered the fine (to $9,230) based on the defendant’s income: Williamson had been convicted for inciting hatred, an offense which, under German law, incorporates any claim that the Holocaust did not happen. Williamson was in Germany when he told an interviewer for a Swedish television channel that, although Jews were killed during the Holocaust, the accepted figure of between five and six million was inaccurate, and the Nazis did not use gas chambers. He was convicted in absentia, with a lawyer present on his behalf. Williamson’s lawyer argues that his client’s comments did not breach German law because they were never intended for broadcast in Germany. However, they sprawled globally over Internet video portals and were subsequently picked up by German national media. Judge Birgit Eisvogel ruled that Williamson should have been aware that any such television comments would inevitably find their way around the world, and thus to Germany, also noting Williamson’s own familiarity with the nature of the Internet: “We know that the accused is himself a blogger.”The bishop was at the time an excommunicated Catholic, from “the semi-independent hard-line Society of Saint Pius X,” though the excommunication was lifted in 2009. “Vatican officials say the Pope was unaware of Williamson’s comments when he made the decision.” via volokh.com