Fatah and Hamas both realized that they are in no position to create a prosperous state and are much better off maintaining the status quo while blaming Israel for their lack of a state. The PA is and will continue to be entirely dependent upon Israel. Going forward, the PA will need water, gas, electricity and medical care. Add to this the fact that Israel is going to be by far the PA’s major trading partner, though Egypt may become a greater partner than Israel for those in Gaza.
Fatah has come to realize that it not only will not achieve the full 1967 borders including all of pre-1967 “East” Jerusalem through a UNGA vote declaring as much, but the PA would at that point also take a position fundamentally abandoning the goal of achieving total victory in the future and therefore may be trying to back out or even sabotage those efforts.What is underway right now would appear to be an effort by the Palestinian Authority to halt the creation of a two state solution so as not to abandon the long hoped for single state one. It appears, once again, that the PA may be trying to sabotage efforts to achieve a state alongside Israel, including its own leadership’s attempts, while preserving the status-quo indefinitely. Rabbi Kaufman via docstalk.blogspot.com
There is no way that a Palestinian state could become a member of the United Nations without a recommendation from the Security Council. If the United States or any other permanent council member used its veto, the General Assembly would not be able to vote on membership for Palestine.
The Palestinian demand is that Israel go back to the pre-1967 lines and then start negotiating a two-state solution. If Israel doesn’t agree, then Palestinians would ask UN to recognize “Palestine” as a member state based on the non-existent temporary 1949 borders which the Arabs refused to recognize even back in 1949 and over which they went to war with Israel in 1967.
(JPost) Chief Palestinian Authority negotiator Saeb Erekat said that the US will veto the request to recognize Palestinian statehood in the UN Security Council in September, Al-Ayyam reported on Thursday.
Erekat told the Palestinian newspaper that during his recent trip to the US, officials said negotiations are the only option.
Erekat visited Washington this week, where he met with Secretary of State Hilary Clinton, Obama adviser Dennis Ross and members of the US National Security Council. He plans to meet with members of Congress on Thursday.
Erekat said that Palestinians will only agree to peace talks if Israel agrees to a two-state solution based on pre-1967 lines with land swaps and stops all construction in settlements, as well as east Jerusalem.
If Israel does not agree to these terms, the PA will ask the UN to recognize Palestine as a member country, Erekat explained.
The Palestinian negotiator added that all members of the new Palestinian government, to rise from the Fatah-Hamas unity deal, will be committed to PA President Mahmoud Abbas’s [AKA Abu Mazen] previous agreements. via eye-on-the-world.blogspot.com
One of the reasons you have to be careful who receives these veto status statehood is that it is a powerful ability to reject the majority state’s will. The bad thing for America is that an enemy can also get this position.
Any recommendation for admission must receive the affirmative votes of 9 of the 15 members of the Council, provided that none of its five permanent members — China, France, the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America — have voted against the application.
Bill Clinton lied about Jonathan Pollard. His Reputation in History Now Marked As a Brutal Thug… Not For PeaceSeptember 21, 2010
The reason Pollard should be released is because it is just. the information Jonathan had should of been given to Israel and was also promised to Israel. The state secret Pollard was getting was information on Saddam’s chemical weapons and other capabilities that Israel needed to stay alive. This just furthers my hatred and suspicions of the Clinton’s priorities. Peace is not their objective. Degrading good Jews like Clinton did to Monica is what the Clintons were and still are all about. When I talk to feminists today in upstate New York they have more Antisemitism then any other members of the population. We must do everything in our power to insure that we keep these people out of power for our liberty.
Bill Clinton admits he ‘considered’ releasing Pollard at Wye
Former US President Bill Clinton has admitted for the first time that Prime Minister Netanyahu came to the 1998 Wye River Conference thinking he had Jonathan Pollard’s release in hand, and that Clinton did consider releasing Pollard.
Former US president Bill Clinton said in a recent conversation with a prominent US Jewish leader that when Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu went to the Wye River Plantation talks in 1998 with Yasser Arafat, he thought that he would return to Israel with Jonathan Pollard, according to Israeli diplomatic sources.
According to these sources, this is the first time Clinton has acknowledged that Netanyahu went to the talks thinking he had Pollard’s freedom in hand.
In the end, a deal to release Pollard as part of the agreements with Arafat was scuttled when then-CIA director George Tenet threatened to resign if the deal went through.
Among the US officials Barak was scheduled to meet in Washington on Monday was Dennis Ross, who dealt at some length in his memoir The Missing Peace with how the Pollard issue played out during the Wye talks. In that book Ross, who was the US Middle East envoy at the time, wrote that Clinton considered releasing Pollard to try to ensure that an Israeli-PA deal would be sealed.
In the end, Ross wrote, he himself advised Clinton against going ahead with the release when Netanyahu said he would not sign the Wye deal without Pollard’s release.
“Did you make a commitment to release Pollard?” Ross quoted himself as asking Clinton in the book. “If you did, you have to release him.”
According to Ross, “The president swore he had made no promises; he’s said he would see what he could do, but he had made no promises.
I then said, ‘If you did not make a promise to him, you should not give in to this.’” Officials in the Prime Minister’s Office on Monday denied reports that Pollard has been placed into settlement construction moratorium equation, with one official saying the report was “not accurate.”
I suspect that Clinton did make a commitment and then weaseled out of it by reinterpreting his own words. Ask Monica Lewinsky about how Clinton did things like that.
“In August 2007, a secret report written by the CIA inspector general was made public (originally written in 2005 but kept secret). The 19-page summary states that Tenet knew the dangers of Al Qaeda well before September 2001, but that the leadership of the CIA did not do enough to prevent any attacks. Tenet reacted to the publication of this report by calling it “flat wrong”, citing in particular the planning efforts of the past two years.”
George Tenet… did little to protect America from Al Qaeda attacks. It was on his watch that America was attacked. But he sure did everything to keep Jonathan Pollard in jail. Jonathan is a hero who was trying to get secrets promised to Israel by the US regarding Iraqi chemical warfare. Tenet is the one who should be in jail… not Pollard
National Security Council Middle East Strategist Dennis Ross is in Israel – that much is undisputed. And according to most reports, he is here to work on the ‘peace process.’
“Ross is here ‘to resolve the settlement freeze triangle,’” an Israeli source says, referring to whether Israel will agree to extend a freeze on Israeli settlement building currently due to expire Sept. 26.
Ross is meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and lead Israeli negotiator Yitzhak Molcho, the Israeli source told POLITICO.
Ross’s visit could be about helping to clarify what Netanyahu may agree to ahead of the talks now that the Palestinians have agreed to direct talks, and what he might consider agreeing to after he hears from Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas and President Obama next week, former U.S. peace negotiator Aaron Miller suggested.
The White House did not immediately respond to queries on Ross’s travel.
Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu began choosing the members of Israel’s negotiating team, as American diplomat Dennis Ross arrived in Israel on Thursday to discuss the beginning of direct talks with the Palestinians.
US President Barack Obama and Secretary of State Hilary Clinton reportedly sent Ross to Israel in order to settle the issue of the West Bank building freeze.
But there’s another report – which probably should be taken with a grain of salt – that gives an entirely different explanation for Ross’ visit (Hat Tip: Will).
Debkafile’s Washington and Jerusalem sources report that Israel has revived its military option against Iran – especially since Iran activated its first nuclear reactor at Bushehr on Aug. 21, thereby placing Washington under enormous pressure. In addition to the dire predictions of catastrophe planted on various op-ed pages, the Obama administration this week sent two big guns to Jerusalem to try and check an Israel attack.
The first to arrive was International Atomic Energy Agency Director Yukiya Amano, who explained that under his stewardship the nuclear watchdog’s treatment of Iran would be quite different from the lenience shown by his predecessor, Mohamed ElBaradei. He promised its inspectors would henceforth clamp down hard on Iran’s nuclear activities including the Bushehr reactor.
Thursday, Aug. 26, Amano was joined by Dennis Ross, head of Obama’s team of Iran advisers and a close friend of many Israeli leaders. He came laden with offers of security gifts – possible rewards both for restraint on Iran and as a softener for Netanyahu to be generous with concessions to the Palestinians in the forthcoming negotiations.
Ross has taken three days to make his pitch on Iran, while Netanyahu has less than a week to decide whether he can again trust the US president’s new promises after they were not exactly upheld in the way the Bushehr reactor was allowed to go on stream or the modalities for the negotiations with the Palestinians.
While preparing the Ross mission, the administration let it be known that the security gifts on offer would be dramatic and make the IDF one of the strongest and most advanced armies in the world.
For details on the ‘security gifts’ and more, read the whole thing. The Reidel piece to which they refer is here. (I read most of it last night, but it’s way too long to blog today).
Unfortunately, the notion that the Obama administration would do almost anything to bring about a ‘Palestinian state’ and to stop an Israeli attack on Iran (including selling to Israel some of the few remaining F-22’s) is way too plausible.
Papa Obama is offering some goodies….
unless Iran’s technology speeds up and overcomes Israeli capability faster then present variables in two years it takes to get Obama out of power, I’d say go low tech. A few toys are not worth your home.
Even so called friends in Obama’s arsenal are linking Israel to terrorism and terrorist states. Dennis Ross buys into linkage? Some remarks made by Dennis Ross at the Anti-Defamation League on Monday have raised some eyebrows. via israelmatzav.blogspot.com
“Clearly one way that Iran is increasing its influence in the region is by exploiting the ongoing conflict between Israelis and Palestinians,” Ross said, echoing statements made by U.S. Centcom commander Gen. David Petraeus in a report (pdf) submitted to Congress back in March.
Apparently Bibi is bypassing Mitchell and talking directly to Ross. It appears to be a conflict that is more personal and less to do with both the security of Israel. Perhaps as Carl mentions he thinks he can get away with giving it up because it is an Orthodox neighborhood and those Jews are treated as secular citizens compared to the rest of Israelis, but Ramat Shlomo is a Jewish neighborhood surrounded by Jews and giving it up would be a major security breach for Jews. I find it hard to believe that people can’t see this as Ethnic cleansing. Jews are not allowed in the territory allotted to Palestine, but the reverse is not so.
US President Barack Obama made clear in a recent letter to the Palestinians that he views Israel as the obstacle to peace and will approach further peace efforts from that point of view, according to senior Palestinian Authority officials. PA secretary general Tayeb Abdel Rahim on Sunday told reporters that the letter made the usual commitments to an independent Palestinian state with territorial continuity. Rahim also said that Obama promised to start publicly assigning blame to those he sees holding up peace and to force Israel into indefinitely extending its temporary settlement freeze.
What is lame is that Obama isn’t even talking to Bibi, but rather using the NYTimes through Roger Cohen to publicly threaten the Jewish state. Would a real friend use a newspaper to make threats? Obama looks silly in a cowboy hat. He doesn’t have what it takes to be a real man and say it to another man’s face
The Obama administration has in fact threatened to abstain rather than veto a UN Security Council resolution regarding Israel. It’s just that the resolution in question is narrower than what has been reported previously.
I believe this is called passive aggressive
Mr. Mitchell’s deputy, David Hale, indicated to the Palestinians that if Israel proceeded with the construction of 1,600 housing units in Jerusalem’s ultra-orthodox neighborhood of Ramat Shlomo, the United States would abstain from, rather than veto, a resolution in the United Nations Security Council condemning the move.
Ben Smith notes that the White House has not denied this story. Smith adds:
This isn’t inconsistent with yesterday’s denial, and the U.S. posture seems to be that they’d abstain from a resolution attacking a specific Israeli move, but continue to veto broader censure of Israel.
That would still be a major shift. The traditional U.S. posture isn’t that the U.S. vetoes anti-Israel resolutions because they’re specifically incorrect, but on the grounds that the U.N. is broadly unfair and overly focused on Israel.
Jennifer Rubin is justifiably upset about this.
So much for defending Israel in international institutions, and so much for past promises by the U.S. to leave disposition of Jerusalem to final-status talks. A knowledgeable source reminds me that the Bush administration regularly vetoed anti-Israel UN resolutions, the sole exception being an abstention in January 2009, which called for a ceasefire in the Gaza War. But the notion that we would threaten prospectively to permit a condemnation of the Jewish state by the UN Israel-bashers is frankly shocking. We’ll abstain no matter what the UN says? As the source tells me, “Resolutions are vetoed one by one; language counts.” So the Obambi are either making a promise to the Palestinians that can’t be relied upon, or the Obambi are giving Israel’s UN foes a blank check to bash, condemn, and vilify Israel to their heart’s content.
Once again, one asks, where are the mainstream Jewish organizations? Do they find Obama’s platitudinous assurances and pretty letters so irresistible that they can’t bestir themselves to discern the true nature of Obama’s Middle East policy? The evidence continues to mount that Obama will keep turning the screws on the Jewish state and will countenance, if not encourage, the UN’s crusade to delegitimize Israel and impose a “peace” on an unwilling ally. American Jewish “leaders” better rouse themselves from their slumber before it too late to knock the Obami off their desired course. Or maybe it already is.
I suspect that most of the ‘mainstream Jewish organizations’ don’t know or care where Ramat Shlomo is or what it is about.
Some of you may have heard about the corruption scandal known as the Holyland Park, a huge luxury apartment complex built on the site of the former Holyland Hotel, which seems to have gotten its zoning permits only because they bribed just about everyone in sight. What you may not realize is that Jerusalem has had almost nothing but ‘luxury apartments’ built for the last 20 years. Those luxury apartments are purchased by people who live abroad, and they sit empty for the entire year except for the weeks of the Pesach and Sukkot holidays. That’s great if you can afford it, but what it means for Israelis is that there are no apartments we can afford, that the shopkeepers in those neighborhoods have little or no business and that the schools in those neighborhoods have few or no students. On a macro level, it’s been devastating to the city. Housing prices have skyrocketed, and young couples are either living in storage rooms converted to apartments or have left the city altogether. That’s why we’re still fighting an uphill battle to keep Jerusalem Jewish.
There have been two new neighborhoods in the last twenty years in which they housing was (originally at least) affordable: Ramat Shlomo and Har Homa. Both were built in the 1990’s. Those 1,600 apartments that were supposed to be built in Ramat Shlomo were 3-bedroom 2-bathroom starter apartments (according to a weekend JPost article that as far as I can tell is not online yet) that would keep young, Jewish couples in the city. Meanwhile, the Arabs continue to build in Jerusalem without any need for permits. The city is no longer enforcing its own building code when it comes to Arab buildings.
So by ignoring Ramat Shlomo, those ‘Jewish leaders’ are greatly increasing the risk that they will wake up one morning to discover that Jerusalem no longer has a Jewish majority.
Prime Minister Netanyahu notified President Obama over the weekend once again that Israel will not freeze construction in Jerusalem. But it’s a lie. Netanyahu has made the Ramat Shlomo neighborhood into the sacrificial lamb for the ‘freeze’ (Hat Tip: Memeorandum).