Saudi Interference with Muslims During the Hajj – Hudson New York

January 24, 2010

this is a fantastic explanation of how the Saudi royal family has attacked the Shi’i by desecrating their own prophet’s graveyard. King Abdullah II and his mutawwa (police) forbid mawlid (the birthday of Muhammad) and deny access to the Jannat-al-Baqi which is the graveyard of Muhammad‘s family. They turned the location of their own prophet’s remains into a garbage dump.

Apparently they do not like to see their religion become “Christianized” with such ideas as “Relics”. It is also seen to be pagan in nature to worship physical manifestations which could be idol worship. Which is bizarre because the Kaba itself is a pagan relic or was till Islam converted it.

I have heard that the Kaba supposedly might of been the place Abraham attempted to sacrifice his child (possibly not Ishmael because the Quran doesn’t mention this detail and Ishmael is merely a custom) and have heard rumors that the rock might in fact be an asteroid.

The hajj pilgrimage to Mecca is one of the five pillars of Islam – every adult Muslim who is physically able and can afford it is required to make the journey once before dying. For about two million people each year, the hajj is a supreme moment of devotion to the religion of the Prophet Muhammad.

For the Wahhabi clerics who direct the official state sect in Saudi Arabia, however, the hajj is more an ideological than a spiritual observance. The small number of Muslims allowed to make the journey – 2 million out of at least 1.3 billion Muslims around the world – is a giveaway: The Wahhabis carefully vet hajj pilgrims, to exclude those of whom they disapprove.

Saudi-Wahhabi adherents prohibit and interfere with honours offered by hajjis to Muhammad, his family, his companions, his successors, and other Muslim holy people. In the perverse Wahhabi system – shared with the Deobandi sect in South Asia that leads the Taliban – expressing love for the Prophet and other distinguished Muslims is polytheism, setting up ‘partners’ alongside the creator. Today, Wahhabis and Deobandis condemn celebrating the Prophet’s birthday (mawlid) as an imitation of Christians, even though mawlid continues to be held wherever Muslims live – even, privately, in the Saudi kingdom. By contrast, traditional Islamic theologians praised the Christians for their love of their Prophet – as he is seen in Islam, although Muslims do not believe Jesus was the son of God. Traditional Muslims reply to the extremists that a religion that does not esteem its Prophet cannot bring fulfillment to its followers.

Holy “Birthdays” are seen as getting in the way of worshipping Allah and making gods out of people.

Wahhabis also despise the preservation of historic religious architecture, including shrines, graves, tombs, and notable mosques and madrassas. To them, Muslim prayer at any such sites is, again, polytheism – making a gravestone or a house into an idol. During the nearly 150-year long effort, beginning in the 18th century, to establish the Saudi-Wahhabi regime, the fanatics banned any construction, visiting, or prayer at shrines, graves, and tombs. Today they remain especially avid to wipe out the structures in which Muhammad and his family lived, lest Muslims visit and pray at them. Since their seizure of Mecca in 1924, the Wahhabi mentors of the Saudi royal family have schemed to extirpate the very building in which Muhammad was born – it was first turned into a cattle market, then into a library, but remains under threat of replacement by a car park. They have demolished or otherwise covered over the grave of the Prophet’s mother, and the house in which Muhammad lived with his wife Khadijah and their children. They also destroyed the first Islamic school in which the Prophet taught.

The Wahhabi mutawwa, or morals patrols (often miscalled a ‘religious police’) harass hajjis who visit the Prophet’s Shrine in Medina if pilgrims face the direction of Muhammad’s sarcophagus and utter blessings. But the intersection of naked vandalism and Wahhabi proscriptions against long-established Muslim customs is nowhere more dramatic than at Jannat-al-Baqi, the Medina cemetery of the Prophet’s family and companions. Jannat al-Baqi once included numerous domed shrines. But the Wahhabis tore down the monuments, turned the cemetery into a garbage dump, and prevented identification of any of the graves there.

Recent Western media coverage has noted that Shia Muslims continue to visit the site of Jannat al-Baqi and to pray, recite blessings, and express their emotions at the sanctity of those buried there. The mutawwa – including Arabs, Afghans, and Bangladeshis who understand the hajjis’ speech – not only tell them to lower their voices, but also confiscate their religious literature, and frequently detain and abuse them. The controversy over Jannat al-Baqi has been interpreted by some non-Muslim commentators as an expression of geopolitical rivalry between the Saudi kingdom, which proclaims its adherence to Sunnism, and Shia Iran. Iran, it is said, is using the issue of cultural devastation in Arabia to gain support for its political position among the world’s Muslims.

To believe such a claim is a serious error. Sunnis, especially followers of Sufi spirituality, are no less outraged by the wanton destruction of Islamic heritage, as symbolized by the transformation of Jannat al-Baqi into a waste ground, than are Shias. The rescue of Islamic heritage is not a political issue between states but a serious challenge to Muslims of any and all partisan views. Sunni Sufis who visit Jannat al-Baqi to express their affection for the Muslims interred there also suffer at the hands of the mutawwa: they are also pushed around and told how to pray, they see their religious books seized and torn up, and they have been arrested and beaten. In doctrinal terms, Sunni Sufis and Shias differ on many issues, but they are united in seeking to protect Islam’s physical legacy.




Saudi Arabia is the only country in the world that officially rejects the concept of cultural preservation. While some archeological work goes on, it is typically hidden from the public or downgraded to minor facilities. Saudi King Abdullah has commenced various efforts to normalize his country, which is the sole state in the world to prevent women from driving, among other Wahhabi stupidities. A bold step in the right direction would be the dissolution of the mutawwa and an end to interference with the spiritual habits of hajj pilgrims, Sunni and Shia, Sufi and non-Sufi, alike.

If anybody believes the contention over cultural vandalism in Arabia favors Iran, an end to such irresponsible Saudi policies would certainly deprive the Iranians of a basis for their complaints.

This behavior is strange, but

Apparently they do not like to see their religion become “Christianized” with such ideas as “Relics”. It is also seen to be pagan in nature to worship physical manifestations which could be idol worship. Which is bizarre because the Kaba itself is a pagan relic or was till Islam converted it.

I have heard that the Kaba supposedly might of been the place Abraham attempted to sacrifice his child (possibly not Ishmael because the Quran doesn’t mention this detail and Ishmael is merely a custom) and have heard rumors that the rock might in fact be an asteroid.

Moderate Islam in the News

January 4, 2010


At a demonstration near Ramallah Sunday night, Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Salam Fayyad told a crowd that a future Arab state in Judea and Samaria must be free of all Jews. Fayyad, who was never elected to his office democratically, was an economist for the International Monetary Fund until being handpicked by former United States President George W. Bush to lead the PA.

Maybe President Obumbler’s attorney general can explain why that kind of statement and the ethnic cleansing that underlies it, which would not be tolerated in the United States, are okay for our region. I’m sure Eric Holder would tell you that it’s fine but there is no logical way to explain why.


keep in mind that Fayyad is the one who is supposed to give Palestine a new way to think… through helping with economic issues…. apparently killing Jews has been thrown into his monetary system

Kurt Westergaard is known for controversial illustrations that have angered

(CNN) — The attack on a Danish political cartoonist “runs totally against the teachings and values of Islam,” the umbrella organization representing Muslim countries has said.

If the attack was a reaction to Kurt Westergaard’s drawing of the Muslim prophet Mohammed with a turban shaped as a bomb, “then it should be rejected and condemned by all Muslims,” the Organization of the Islamic Conference said in a statement Sunday.

via cnn.com


The students pay close attention as Sheik Ahmad Al-Jilani (not pictured) tries to sway them from the impulses of their belligerent pasts.

the Saudi government tends to explain its rehabilitation program in purely Islamic terms, as an effort to correct theological misunderstandings, the new program also addresses the psychological needs and emotional weaknesses that have led many young men to jihad in the first place. It tries to give frustrated and disaffected young men the trappings of stability — a job, a car, possibly a wife. Though international human rights groups continue to sound the alarm about Saudi Arabia’s habit of detaining suspects without charging them and of punishing certain crimes with floggings and amputations, these young men seem to have become the subjects of a continuing experiment in counterterrorism as a kind of social work.

“Of course we want to make God’s word highest, but not every Muslim leader has this as his goal. There are right jihads and wrong jihads, and we must examine the situation for ourselves. For example, if a person wants to go to hajj now, is it right?”

“I didn’t have the chance,” Azzam said, sounding defensive. “For months, we went from safe house to safe house. There wasn’t anything to do — no action, no training. Finally, they asked me to be a suicide bomber. But I know that suicide is forbidden in Islam, so I came back home.”

Many of the former jihadists seemed to feel unappreciated, their sense of injury plain. Jilani and his colleagues encourage the former militants to examine those feelings, even to think of themselves as victims. Yes, they were tricked and manipulated by deviant ideology (a favorite Saudi catchphrase for Islamic extremism), but now they have a chance to turn back.

Of all the concepts addressed in classes at the rehabilitation center, takfir is the one that tends to evoke the most anger among mainstream Saudi Muslims. The idea that there’s a slippery slope from jihad to takfir comes up regularly in discussions with Saudi clerics.

via nytimes.com

In Islamic law, takfir or takfeer (تكفير) refers to apostasy in Islam, or the practice of declaring oneself an unbeliever or kafir (pl. kuffār), previously considered Muslim. The act which precipitates takfir is termed themukaffir.


“Some of our young people don’t listen to the right scholars,” Jilani told me. “First they start to think that they have the right to go to jihad at any time. After that, they start to think that we have the right to kill any non-Muslim.

“Then they start to say that our leaders are kuffar, infidels,” the sheik continued. “After that they start to say that our scholars, too, are kuffar. Before long, they’ve declared war against the whole world.”


So they say… but does their scripture say? http://xrl.us/Islamic

is this merely about timing? should these guys just check their calendar to murder Jews? And were Abdulmutallab just poor disaffected youth? The son of the chief of the Nigerian central bank is hardly ”middle class” in Africa. the poor are in touch with their element. it takes money to have the time to think about being unloved. it takes money to start looking for some kind of systematic love. and then it takes money to blame g-d on false religion. cloud 9. these kids want a taste of reality. the answers to terrorism is to be strong and not give them what they want. reality is like porn for these kids. don’t let them see you. they chase tangibility to their grave. they want to see you so they can martyr you. stand strong and attack them when they can’t see you. don’t give them what they obviously want. they don’t deserve to consume us.

A Lebanese Web site on Sunday quoted Saudi newspaper al-Madina as reporting that Iran nuclear negotiator Saeed Jalili met with Hamas and Hizbullah officials, including Hamas politburo chief Khaled Mashaal, in Damasucs and asked them to orchestrate “operations” against Israel.



Iran doesn’t believe Israel intends to give Obama the time he has requested for sanctions against Iran to take effect. Obviously Mahmoud knows that can’t be.

The report said that Jalili also traveled to Beirut and urged Hizbullah and Amal representatives to launch attacks.

Jalili reportedly also asked Hamas and Hizbullah to coordinate their attacks.


once we figure out it is Islam we are dealing with that is the problem, then we can strategize that Islam has division from within and we can use one enemy against the other in such a way that they will do our fighting for us. Islam has always been broken. there is no moderate and orthodox fundamentalism. there are no good guys or bad guys. there is only keeping out of their way. If we can acknowledge that essence then we will know that there is no reason to permanently occupy an entire country. our goals should be little bases through out the middle east to be seconds away from an arial attack. ground troops just give our enemy an immediate reason to suspect a power that they fear. we should be invisible but always there. They might not be afraid to die, but the little villages will learn to free themselves of this element if they know that there is immediate responses to any terrorism. we should not be anxiety ridden every time we decide to strike back. we should always be ready as a routine in the future. the lesson Israel learned from 2006 in Lebanon and 2008 in Gaza is that while there is an immediate public relations problem from returning fire… that it does contain the violence. our bases need to be balanced with a public relations war.
I believe we are not fighting. We are nothing but Saud henchmen. this is no way to win. We must not be leashed by the Saudis. We must have little bases through out the Islamic world… and we must not occupy whole countries. Invisibility is the only way to fight an enemy. they will blame whatever power that is visible. let them destroy themselves. the people will learn to reject these regimes if they feel these regimes cause the wrath of missiles. why are we sending ground troops? why are we spilling our blood to nation build countries that can not be rebuilt? they need to evolve themselves. We merely need to exercise Pavlovian technique. the rats and mice don’t know where the shock comes from. invisibility is how you destroy a reactionary enemy. let them live in fear of the concept of the west if they must… there is nothing we can do about that. but why send our own bodies out there?


1920 The year the Arabs discovered Palestine

December 22, 2009


The Arabs backstabbed the Jews after promising Israel to them. Faisal supported a Zionist state in Palestine. (these are not my opinions) Faisal and Weitzman were allies and friends during World War I before Faisal betrayed the Jews because he was angry at Europe.

Emir Feisal I (right) and Chaim Weizmann (also wearing Arab dress as a sign of friendship) in Syria, 1918.

You project your culture’s wrong doing on the victims of your hatred if you do not support Israel. it is hate because it is a reneged modern agreement. After betraying a friend because of a failed outside agreement with a third party the Sauds supported the Nazis till 1945. Eventually the French handed over Syria and Lebanon to the Arabs, but the Arabs never supported Israel again because their agreement was never with an intent to do what they promised only what would immediately benefit their power. the right of a people to rule themselves only applied to Faisal and no one else.

“We Arabs… look with the deepest sympathy on the Zionist movement. Our deputation here in Paris is fully acquainted with the proposals submitted yesterday by the Zionist Organisation to the Peace Conference, and we regard them as moderate and proper. We will do our best, in so far as we are concerned, to help them through; we will wish the Jews a most hearty welcome home… I look forward, and my people with me look forward, to a future in which we will help you and you will help us, so that the countries in which we are mutually interested may once again take their places in the community of the civilised peoples of the world.”

-King Faisal

would any judge in the world have any empathy for murderers whose reason was a third outside party stole from them?


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